The Mel Robbins Podcast · Mel Robbins
Mel Robbins opens with the moment that prompted this episode: her son Oakley, a college sophomore, came home from his window-washing job so visibly happy that the podcast team started interrogating him, because he had spent his first year and a half at school the lowest she had ever seen him. He hadn't transferred. What changed was him, and the conversation reverse-engineers it into a four-part checklist for anyone unhappy in a job, relationship, city or school who can't tell whether they need to change or the situation does.
Oakley's setup was a trap he describes with unusual honesty: he loved high school — team captain of two sports, senior mentor, soup-kitchen volunteer in a 900-student Vermont school — and never wanted to leave, so he arrived at college pre-committed to hating it. Takeaway one: you can't open a new door while gripping the old one. He compared every meal, friend and Frisbee tryout to home, noticed himself becoming judgmental in a way that wasn't like him, and quit the Frisbee team because it didn't feel like his high school team. Mel pairs this with her own move from the Boston area — where she'd lived 26 years — to a Vermont town with more cows than people, which she spent months convinced was a mistake. Takeaway two is an energy check: shrinking, arms-crossed and stubborn versus expansive and saying yes. Oakley spent Friday nights alone in his dorm, and when he did occasionally go out, he treated a bad first attempt as proof he was a hopeless case; the fix, when it came in January of his sophomore year, was saying yes to everything and actually texting the 'mutuals' he'd been politely avoiding.
Takeaway three — are you 100% in, or straddling two lives? Oakley kept a long-distance relationship as an exit, locking himself in his dorm for phone calls while his friends went out; Mel kept driving back to Boston on weekends instead of making local friends. Citing Harville Hendricks's idea of closing the exits, Oakley explains why the second breakup only worked when it was full no-contact — the first time, the exit stayed open and they were back together in two months. Takeaway four: if you change nothing, nothing changes — and its corollary, illustrated by Mel's daughter, who threw herself completely into a cybersecurity job for three years, still didn't like it, and could leave with no regrets: if you've genuinely changed and the situation still doesn't, it's the situation. The episode ends with the moment Oakley knew it had worked — four hours talking with a new close friend in a parked car in the pouring rain — and his most sobering self-observation: that he was capable of sitting in misery for eighteen months without doing anything about it.
“You can't open a new door if you're gripping the old one.” Mel Robbins · at 11:07 —
“I was able to live through this sadness and loneliness for a year and a half and do nothing about it.” Oakley Robbins · at 53:12 —
Mel Robbins's 21-year-old son, a college sophomore who runs a window-washing business, sharing how he climbed out of an 18-month slump during his first years at school.