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Episode 112 - Navigating the World with Linda King

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Executive Summary AI
  • Host Jake Bushman introduces Joseph Walker, a U.S. Navy veteran, author and consultant who first arrived in Italy more than 30 years ago and never stopped exploring.1:23
  • Walker grew up in the suburbs of Atlanta, left Florida State after a year for the Navy sign that said "See the World," and was sent to Italy, where within 24 hours he knew he belonged.2:09
  • On the NATO base near Naples he heard whispers of an Atlantis near Bacoli and Baia, hired a fisherman and his boat, dived nine or ten feet, cleared debris and found a Roman mosaic — the sunken Portus Julius, later understood to be built by Agrippa, who also built the Pantheon.6:20
  • After a bachelor's from the University of Maryland European Division in Naples and a master's in Italian history from Georgia, he returned to guide for the USO, created thousands of tours across Puglia, Basilicata, Calabria and Sicily before they were popular, and led a medieval reenactment group playing the Normans of the 1100s.8:14
  • He explains why he sells the other 99% of Italy — meeting a living descendant of Frederick II in Palermo, the 20,000-year-old bull painting at Grotta del Romito — and says after 20 years in the Americas he is moving back, basing himself in Perugia, with his book Buried Italy now on Amazon.21:19

Brief overview

Joseph Walker turned a Navy posting to Italy into 35 years of uncovering its hidden history.

  1. Relationships open doors tourists never seeWalker says locals let you in if you say a few words in Italian, smile and show interest.
  2. One dive turned a bystander into a participantClearing debris off a Roman mosaic in the Gulf of Pozzuoli made him decide history was his life's work.
  3. Curiosity is the point of travelHe hopes travellers come back more curious about walls, people and the lives behind them.

Questions this recording answers

10 questions, each answered where it is said
How did Joseph Walker first end up in Italy?

Growing up in the suburbs of Atlanta, he spent a year at Florida State, kept passing a 'See the World, U.S. Navy' sign in Tallahassee and enlisted as an operations specialist. Asked where to go, he said anywhere, and was sent to Italy at 19, where within 24 hours he loved it.

Answered around 2:27
How did Joseph Walker find the sunken Roman city of Portus Julius?

At the NATO base in Naples he heard locals whisper about an Atlantis near Pozzuoli and Baia. He hired a fisherman and boat, saw walls in the water when the sun came out, dived to about nine or ten feet, cleared debris and found a Roman mosaic floor.

Answered around 6:32
Who built the underwater city Walker discovered near Naples?

After a couple of years of research he found it was built by Agrippa, the right-hand man of Octavian, who became the emperor Augustus. It is the same Agrippa whose name is on the Pantheon in Rome. Bradyseism, land rising and falling over magma, put much of the area underwater.

Answered around 16:36
Why did so much of the area around Naples end up underwater?

Walker explains bradyseism, the rising and falling of the landmass due to magma underneath, which the area has a lot of. Locals pieced together stories, such as Emperor Nero's palace being there, where he tried to kill his mother, and many more walls than a single palace.

Answered around 14:58
What is Walker's view on visiting Rome, Florence and Venice?

He says all three are magnificent and must be visited, but calls them a repository of culture while the other 99% of Italy lies beyond them. Going further requires doors opened through relationships he has built over 35 years, such as meeting a living descendant of Frederick II in Palermo.

Answered around 20:41
Why was Frederick II such a remarkable figure?

Called Stupramundi, the wonder of the world, he spoke several languages, and his court was where Italian was first truly spoken, before Dante. He was Holy Roman Emperor, king of Sicily and king of Jerusalem, and wrote a book on falconry used until the 20th century.

Answered around 21:53
What lesser-known Italian places does Walker personally favour?

Gaida, named after the nanny of a Trojan hero, a fishing village with a castle; Castel del Monte in Puglia, Frederick II's hunting lodge; and the grotto of the Archangel Michael on the Gargano Peninsula, a major medieval pilgrimage site that was a sacred pagan grotto even before Christianity.

Answered around 25:27
What can visitors see at the Grotta di Romito in Calabria?

In northern Calabria, the large cave has a 20,000-year-old bull painting on a boulder at its edge and, inside, an 11,000-year-old couple buried in an embrace. Walker went before signs and plaques existed and expects it to be on the map soon, near popular Tropea.

Answered around 29:11
Why is Joseph Walker moving back to Italy and where?

After about 20 years in South and North America, including running a company in Rio de Janeiro, he calls leaving Italy the biggest mistake of his life. He and his Italian-Brazilian wife will base themselves in Perugia in Umbria, near 40 to 50 hilltop towns and 15 minutes from Assisi.

Answered around 32:38
What is Walker's book Buried Italy about?

Buried Italy, on Amazon, shows that what is buried in Italy is still alive through its people and stories, 'buried but still alive'. It covers southern Italy and Sicily before mass tourism, including meals and conversations with locals. Extras are at italianhistorywithjoseph.com/human, including field notes and an unpublished chapter.

Answered around 41:32
Key Quote
“And I started to be in history, inside of what was going on.”
— Joseph Walker7:56
Key Quote
“But the other 99% of Italy is beyond the gates of Rome and Florence and Venice, let's say.”
— Joseph Walker20:41
Key Quote
“A simple conversation over a cafe means more to me than a lot of the things that I can do here.”
— Joseph Walker33:16
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