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Governor-General on Civic Responsibility

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  • Guardian Australia political editor Tom McElroy interviews Sam Mostyn, Australia's 28th Governor-General, at Admiralty House just after the second anniversary of her 2024 swearing in, when she chose care, kindness and respect as her theme after a post-COVID loss of civility.1:04
  • Mostyn says mayors and councillors at the Local Government Association conference in Canberra, about 1,300 to 1,500 representatives, told her that direct threats and incivility make it very hard to seek office.5:42
  • She calls the failure of adults to understand the 125-year-old constitution a 'growing catastrophe', noting that grade five and six students and new citizens know civics best, and she hosted a roundtable of 50 people from 30 organisations after the Bondi terrorist attack.9:55
  • Mostyn describes her role as the four Cs, draws on Sir Zelman Cowan's idea of reflecting 'light and shade' to help the nation heal, and explains the King never advises her, though he called her after the Bondi tragedy.15:30
  • Reflecting on the 1975 dismissal of Gough Whitlam, she says she cannot see a modern governor-general using the reserve powers, relies instead on the right to be consulted, to caution and to warn, and has sought an exemption from voting to stay beyond politics.25:36

Brief overview

Governor-General Sam Mostyn warns declining civility and civics knowledge threaten Australia's democracy and social cohesion.

  1. Civics knowledge is collapsing among adultsMostyn says the most woeful understanding of democracy's basics is in the adult population.
  2. Reserve powers matter most as a threatShe cannot see the catastrophic circumstances that would lead her to use them.
  3. The Governor-General stays beyond politicsMostyn sought an exemption from the Electoral Commissioner so she does not vote during her term.

Questions this recording answers

10 questions, each answered where it is said
Could a crisis like the 1975 dismissal happen again in Australia?

Mostyn, who was 10 and in grade five in Canberra in 1975, says she cannot see the catastrophic issues that would lead her to use the reserve powers. Citing Badgett, she says they are most powerful in their threat of use. It is not for an unelected governor-general to interfere; Australians decide at the ballot box.

Answered around 25:36
What powers does the Governor-General use in practice with the Prime Minister?

Mostyn says one of her great powers is the right to be consulted, to caution and to warn. In Executive Council, seeing delegated legislation, appointments and treaties, she can raise concerns with ministers, and in formal meetings with the Prime Minister about every couple of months she shares what she sees, without trying to influence him politically.

Answered around 27:06
Does the King advise or instruct the Governor-General?

No. Mostyn says governors-general are chosen by an Australian Prime Minister and the Crown has never rejected an Australian choice. The King never rings with suggestions, just as he doesn't interfere with the UK Prime Minister. He does contact her at key moments; after the Bondi tragedy he called to pass on condolences and good wishes to injured police officers.

Answered around 21:35
Who understands Australia's constitution best, according to Mostyn?

Two groups: students in grade five and six, who learn the foundations and visit Canberra on civics tours, and new citizens, who must learn the system and often left countries without rule of law. Knowledge drops off in high school, and the most woeful lack of understanding is among adults, often those who attack the system.

Answered around 8:36
Why did Mostyn choose care, kindness and respect as her theme?

When sworn in just over two years ago, she felt Australia had lost something post-COVID: its respect for each other was deteriorating. After reading reports on poor understanding of democracy and meeting former governors-general and prime ministers, she wanted to signal that care, kindness and respect were very important to the nation's future.

Answered around 1:46
How is incivility affecting local government?

At the National Conference of the Local Government Association in Canberra, attended by about 1,300 to 1,500 mayors and councillors, representatives told Mostyn that incivility and direct threats against them make it very difficult to seek office. They are also managing community recovery from floods, heat and drought, where anger grows among people who feel left behind.

Answered around 5:58
Why doesn't the Governor-General vote in elections?

Mostyn says she sought an exemption from the Federal Electoral Commissioner, as some predecessors did, so she does not go to a ballot box during her term. She wants to be totally beyond politics, not be asked who she is voting for at a democracy sausage stall, and to show no political preference while Governor-General.

Answered around 31:42
What are the 'four Cs' of the Governor-General's role?

Mostyn describes her role as constitutional, ceremonial, commander-in-chief and community. The constitutional and ceremonial parts include presiding over the Executive Council, royal assent, appointing ministers and dissolving Parliament, while community work has become a bigger part of her job, including visiting every state and territory twice so far.

Answered around 15:30
How does Mostyn use social media as Governor-General?

She uses speeches, the website and especially Instagram, Facebook and increasingly LinkedIn to invite Australians behind the scenes, such as before swearing in ministers or signing a bill, and posts reels of students' questions. Rather than punish people for not knowing civics, she wants to show what happens behind closed gates and ceremony.

Answered around 12:46
How does the Governor-General unwind?

Mostyn keeps fit by walking in the gardens and in Canberra, knits and does craft to reflect on what she sees, reads prodigiously, fills the houses with books, and spends time in galleries, museums and libraries. She relies on her husband, daughter, close family and friends, and draws energy from meeting Australians every week.

Answered around 33:40
Key Quote
“We've got a growing catastrophe, I think, in a failure to understand and engage with”
— Sam Mostyn0:50
Key Quote
“I see a yearning for a return to civility,”
— Sam Mostyn2:55
Key Quote
“I have no politics in this”
— Sam Mostyn7:24
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