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Lost Podcast Recovery

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  • Blind Boy lost a full day's recording when Windows updated itself and his PC then reported a CPU temperature of 92 degrees, so he is recording on his old backup PC and taking the new one to a repair specialist.0:50
  • He announces a last-minute live podcast for about 150 people on the 6th of September on Garnish Island in West Cork, part of the Island Drift festival, with guest Sean Ronayne, and lists his UK, Australia and New Zealand tour dates.7:29
  • He then plays an unreleased 2024 London live interview with mycologist Marlon Sheldrake, author of the 2020 bestseller Entangled Life, who explains how fungi decompose wood and trade carbon, nitrogen and phosphorus with trees.17:35
  • Sheldrake explains that mycorrhizal fungi let the ancestors of land plants leave the water 400 to 500 million years ago, which is why Man Con's Home Tree project moves soil from ancient hedgerow forests to new plantings.50:18
  • They also cover an oyster mushroom trained to live on used cigarette butts, penicillin poultices, a Scooby Snacks trademark blocked by Warner Brothers, and audience questions on the Irish far right, the stoned ape theory and The Last of Us.59:58

Brief overview

Fungi are connective chemical wizards that shaped life on land, medicine, food and how we understand ecosystems.

  1. Fungi and plants are one partnershipMycorrhizal fungi acted as roots for early plants and still forage nitrogen and phosphorus in exchange for carbon.
  2. Fungi can learn to eat new materialsAn oyster mushroom phased from grain onto used cigarette butts ended up living purely off them within weeks.
  3. Specialisation hid how connected nature isSheldrake says 19th-century disciplinary silos made biology study organisms as parts rather than relationships.

Questions this recording answers

10 questions, each answered where it is said
Why did Blind Boy lose this week's podcast recording?

Windows updated automatically near the end of a full day's recording. On restart, a BIOS screen said the CPU was at 92 degrees, when it should be around 30. A PC repairer told him not to turn it back on or he could lose everything, so he is recording on his old backup PC instead.

Answered around 0:50
What is the Garnish Island live podcast and how do you get tickets?

On the 6th of September he does an intimate live podcast for about 150 people on Garnish Island in West Cork, reachable only by a provided boat, with Sean Ronayne as guest. It is part of the Island Drift festival; tickets at normal price go on sale Thursday morning at theislanddrift.com.

Answered around 7:29
How does a shiitake mushroom turn a rotting tree into itself?

Sheldrake says the shiitake disassembles the wood and reassembles those pieces into its own body, so it is made of the same stuff in a new configuration. Wood is long strings of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen molecules, plus lignin, which plants invented to be strong and inedible and which is very hard to decompose.

Answered around 24:14
What are mycorrhizal fungi and what do they do for plants?

Myco means fungus and rhiza means root: these fungi live in and around plant roots. Plants pass them carbon made from light, and the fungi forage the soil for nitrogen and phosphorus in return. They behaved as roots for the ancestors of land plants 400 to 500 million years ago, making life on land possible.

Answered around 50:18
Why does rewilding a forest need soil from ancient woodland?

A field that has been ploughed and doused with nitrates, phosphates, fungicides, herbicides and pesticides will not feel like home to a tree. Moving a spoonful of soil from an ancient site, as Man Con's organisation Home Tree does, brings the right fungal partners; otherwise fungi arrive slowly on wind and water.

Answered around 53:29
Is the wood wide web real or clickbait?

Partly clickbait, Sheldrake says. The popular story treats fungi as passive cables letting trees share resources and talk, but fungi have their own evolutionary agendas, and being connected to a shared network does not always help a plant. He suggests thinking of these networks as complex amplifiers of interactions between organisms.

Answered around 47:21
Can fungi break down plastic or cigarette butts?

Yes, some plastics. A friend of Sheldrake grew an oyster mushroom on 80% grain and 20% cigarette butts, then phased out the grain and phased in used butts full of toxins like polyaromatic hydrocarbons. Within a few weeks it lived purely off used cigarette butts, trying chemical keys until one worked.

Answered around 59:58
How was penicillin discovered and what is a penicillin poultice?

Fleming, studying bacteria in London, returned from holiday to find penicillin mould fighting bacteria on his dishes. During the Second World War most penicillin went to soldiers, so doctors at home grew the mould and slapped the mycelial mat on infected wounds. Folk mould cures, like scraping mould from a leather boot, are far older.

Answered around 1:06:27
Did eating mushrooms make early humans human, as the stoned ape theory claims?

Sheldrake says Terence McKenna argued mushrooms gave early humans imagination and bigger brains. He agrees psychedelics have shaped how culture evolves and how we reorganise societies, but thinks biology is more complex: walking on two feet and cooking food with fire also mattered, so McKenna's version was a little mushroom heavy.

Answered around 1:27:41
Could a fungus like the one in The Last of Us threaten humans?

Some fungi are real threats: rice blast destroys rice that could feed 60 million people a year, another fungus is killing ash trees, and a fungal superbug is putting people in hospital. But the insect-puppeting fungi from The Last of Us are not a threat to humans now, perhaps only over a very long time.

Answered around 1:30:00
Key Quote
“I respond to that failure by putting out something else”
— Blind Boy14:06
Key Quote
“What we call the plant involves fungi too.”
— Marlon Sheldrake52:21
Key Quote
“Fungi are really good at it, which is why they're such prolific decomposers.”
— Marlon Sheldrake1:03:19
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