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Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent

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  • On Never Have I Ever, Claire Byrne, who has never been a war correspondent, talks to journalist and author Sally Hayden, who moved to Beirut in January 2024 and began reporting when the war escalated nine months later.1:02
  • Hayden says the main thing about living through a war is uncertainty: drones overhead, evacuation maps that in March 2026 covered huge areas of the city, and a personal limit of three days of drone noise.4:04
  • After visiting around 100 airstrike sites she photographed signs of civilian life, children's copybooks, nappies, high-heeled shoes, UNO cards, and a photo captioned 'love is just a word until someone comes along and gives it a meaning'.11:15
  • She traces her career from a student grant in Malawi through fact-checking at the Financial Times, where she cat-sat for editor Lionel Barber, CNN and Vice News, to freelancing for the Irish Times since 2016.14:37
  • She discusses calculated risk under airstrikes in Nabatieh, the duty of care toward traumatised interviewees, her grandmother dying while she was at Sednaya prison, and her new book This Is Also a Love Story about love, empathy and how humans are more alike than different.30:07

Brief overview

Journalist Sally Hayden describes living through war in Lebanon and why she still writes about love and humanity.

  1. Living through war means constant uncertaintyEvery day she checks updates, assesses evacuation maps and decides whether to leave
  2. Small objects show the civilian costClose-up photos at airstrike sites reveal the human life behind the rubble
  3. Coverage alone does not guarantee changePeople often know what is happening and still do not act, a hard lesson in journalism

Questions this recording answers

5 questions, each answered where it is said
What is daily life like in Beirut during the war?

Sally Hayden says the main thing is uncertainty: you check news updates constantly, often hear an Israeli drone buzzing above, and assess evacuation warnings. In March 2026 the warning maps covered huge areas of the city, including her apartment, so she stayed at a friend's house for about six weeks.

Answered around 4:04
Why does Sally Hayden photograph objects at airstrike sites?

From a distance an airstrike site looks like a mass of grey, but she noticed signs of civilian life: children's copybooks, nappies, high-heeled shoes, a pram, UNO cards. She photographs close-ups without touching anything, to show the human and civilian impact, and the Irish Times ran a photo series of them.

Answered around 11:15
How did Sally Hayden start in journalism?

After university she won a student prize from the Irish Times with a grant to go to Malawi. Instead of a hotel and a producer, she rented a room, used public transport and stayed over a month. A corruption scandal there showed her the value of accurate information and how little international coverage some crises get.

Answered around 14:37
How does she manage fear when reporting under airstrikes?

She takes calculated risks: years of building experience, security training and WhatsApp groups where colleagues share updates. In Nabatieh airstrikes began all around her while she was with paramedics, and someone on a motorbike was killed nearby. She admits she was scared but felt it was valuable to report.

Answered around 30:00
What is the book This Is Also a Love Story about?

It collects love stories she found in countries she reported from or visited for the book, including Ukraine, Japan, Iraq and Rwanda. Eight years in the making, it covers love for partners, family, community and humanity, and argues that writers help people have empathy and see that humans are more alike than different.

Answered around 34:17
Key Quote

“Three days of a drone is my personal limit.”

— Sally Hayden, Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent, at 0:24▶ listen at 0:24
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“And I think that the main thing to understand about living through a war maybe is uncertainty.”

— Sally Hayden, Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent, at 4:04▶ listen at 4:04
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“Love is just a word until someone comes along and gives it a meaning.”

— Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent, at 0:40▶ listen at 0:40
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“Even worse than that is something happens and it is covered and people don't care.”

— Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent, at 17:11▶ listen at 17:11
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“No, like war is never normal for anyone you know tragedy is always tragedy”

— Sally Hayden, Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent, at 22:43▶ listen at 22:43
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“Humans are more alike than they are different.”

— Sally Hayden, Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent, at 0:38▶ listen at 0:38

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“Never Have I Ever: War Correspondent.” https://bauernordic-pods.sharp-stream.com/ie/2706/nhie_episode_9_for_cb_show_feed_c78fcfef_normal.mp3. Transcript summary by WhipScribe, https://whipscribe.com/transcript-pages/never-have-i-ever-war-correspondent.html.

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