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SEO in the AI Era

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  • Eli Schwartz explains that AI overviews—Google's generative search results—are displacing top-of-funnel SEO traffic by answering broad questions directly, pushing organic clicks down and reducing relevance for generic content.
  • He argues SEO must be reimagined as a product question: product managers—not just marketers—must design SEO assets that solve real user problems in the mid-funnel, like Tinder’s city-specific loneliness-solution pages or Zapier’s 'Gmail + Salesforce' integration guides.
  • Schwartz emphasizes that SEO is not free—it demands engineering, design, and product resources—and warns against investing in it without validating a genuine user search intent and conversion path, citing examples like Mixpanel and Google Cloud where SEO lacks a viable buyer journey.
  • He distinguishes programmatic SEO (e.g., Zillow, TripAdvisor) built from owned data to serve scalable, intent-driven queries from editorial SEO (e.g., G2, Forbes), which is increasingly disrupted by AI overviews and offers diminishing returns.
  • Based on the 2024 U.S. v. Google antitrust verdict, Schwartz affirms Google’s enduring dominance—98% mobile search share—driven by distribution agreements and user habit, not just algorithmic quality, making long-term SEO viability certain despite AI shifts.

Brief overview

SEO is not dying but evolving: success now requires treating it as a product-led discipline focused on mid-funnel user journeys, not top-of-funnel keyword rankings.

  1. SEO is a product, not a marketing tacticProduct managers must own the SEO experience—designing pages that solve mid-funnel problems, not just optimizing keywords.
  2. No search intent, no SEOIf you can’t name the exact query users will type to find your solution, don’t invest in SEO—traffic without conversion is worthless.
  3. Programmatic > editorial in the AI eraPages built from structured data (Zapier, Zillow) thrive; generic blog posts get buried by AI overviews and offer no ROI.

Questions this recording answers

10 questions, each answered where it is said
How are Google's AI overviews changing SEO?

Eli Schwartz says top-of-funnel discovery searches are being swallowed by AI answers. Until AI overviews, whoever won the long-form piece of content got the first click; now Google or ChatGPT answers in a paragraph and pushes results down, so the user moves on to mid-funnel searches, which is where SEO still matters.

What should companies do to succeed at SEO in the AI era?

Treat SEO as a product rather than a marketing task. Schwartz argues product managers should own it: understand the user doing a self-discovery journey who won't come from social, ads or trade shows, then build the experience and positioning that meets them in the mid-funnel, with product and marketing collaborating closely.

What are the first steps to start doing SEO?

Step one, which almost everyone misses, is to be the user and understand what they would actually search for. Step two is deciding what asset to create, such as programmatic pages like Tinder's city pages. Step three is building it as a product, with design, engineering, a product manager and user research.

Should B2B SaaS companies invest in SEO?

Mostly not, according to Schwartz. Tools like Mixpanel are expensive, integrated company-wide and not bought from a search click, and Google Cloud decisions go through committees against Amazon and Microsoft. People rarely search for a problem they don't know they have, so awareness is usually a brand challenge and buying is a sales motion.

How much does investing in SEO really cost?

SEO is not free. A typical agency costs upwards of $10,000 a month, or $120,000 a year, before adding a CMS, engineers, design and content. Schwartz suggests comparing whether a million dollars in SEO would pay back sooner than the same money spent on brand ads, influencers or paid marketing on Meta and Google.

What metrics should you track to judge SEO success?

Track a conversion metric that matters to the business: MQLs, dollar conversions, page views for media companies, or links for a startup. Schwartz calls reporting SEO traffic alone in investor decks a total waste of time, and says rankings matter only if someone like investors cares about them. Traffic that doesn't convert is worthless.

How long does SEO take to show results?

It depends on what you build. For big brands like Tinder, results come quickly once pages exist, while smaller companies may wait many months for Google to notice; Zapier took a couple of years. Schwartz recommends a product roadmap with milestones, such as pages indexed after the first month, to judge progress.

Should you choose programmatic or editorial SEO?

It depends on the user. Programmatic SEO combines data sources into pages at scale, like TripAdvisor's property pages or Zillow's home values, and is generally the better path when there is scale and a real use case. Editorial long-form content for 500 million properties would be cost prohibitive and not what users want.

Can you use AI to write SEO content?

AI is a tool, not a solution. Using it to write whole blog posts just produces the same worthless content people once bought on Upwork for $50, now for free. It is useful for adding product descriptions, titles and features to pages, as e-commerce sites like Macy's rely on product pages rather than fluff content.

What did the Google antitrust verdict reveal about search?

Schwartz read the 286-page verdict. It states Google has 98% of mobile searches and shows how default distribution deals, like revenue share with Apple, drove its success; Neva failed despite a better product. Bing offered itself to Apple for free and was refused, so he doubts ChatGPT or Perplexity will unseat Google.

Key Quote
“Think of SEO as a product. The product managers are the people that should be thinking about this SEO question because it's a product question.”
— Eli Schwartz
Key Quote
“If you can't answer the question about what is it that someone's going to do a search on, then don't do SEO.”
— Eli Schwartz
Key Quote
“Up until AI overviews, whoever won on that long form piece of content would get that first click. But now that doesn't exist anymore.”
— Eli Schwartz
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